MY FIRST TIME PICKING UP A CAMERA

“I had always been a creative kid. My mom owned a daycare, so I would cut out paper and make these huge murals when it was Thanksgiving. I had these grand ideas of how I wanted to see the world from a very young age. I’m a first-generation kid, so it was very much ‘go to school, get good grades, do this and that.’ But I saw that my parents were two creative people who never really honed their creative skills. My dad has boxes and boxes of photos in our basement. And one day I remember looking through them and I was like, ‘These are incredible. This is something that I want to capture, and I don’t know if I’m doing a good job documenting my life at this point.’

“I didn’t pick up a camera until 2012... I just started practicing on everybody. I was drawn to portraiture immediately because I’m very interested in the human experience and I’ve always been an observant person. And that led to a trip that I was going to take anyway, in 2013. My mother’s from Cambodia, so we were going to head back to her country. I was going to meet my grandparents for the first time during that trip. I was able to actually photograph my family [during that trip], and that’s what led to a love affair with this medium because I was able to capture them and the eternal, in a sense, with this tool.”

MY FIRST TIME FALLING IN LOVE WITH TRAVEL

“It was definitely [that trip to Cambodia] that made me fall in love with travel, too. I’ve been to Cambodia before, but it was my first trip going back as an adult and actually remembering it. You’re going this far distance, you get off the plane, the air is different, right? I fell in love with everything that was different from what I had known. That’s the taste of what I needed at that point in time.

“I started traveling quite a bit after that. I took a solo trip to Utah and went to Zion National Park and then drove to Page, Arizona, and went to the Antelope Canyons. I took the trip, shot the photos strictly for the love of photography, and it introduced me to people along the way—every single trip did. So whether I’m in Bali, Jamaica, or Utah, I was meeting these people and having these experiences. And by 2018 I was kind of sick of posing on a camel in Morocco and people not knowing what my experience was getting there, who the people I talked to there were, or what my mindset was.

“[I launched] Passing Through, and I was able to share revelations of wisdom that I collected through these travels. And that’s really what changed—I was able to share these stories and these experiences. We ended up doing a live show in New York in 2019, and it sold out. Six women told their stories on stage. That’s really what inspired the second podcast: a platform called The Layover where it’s strictly other people sharing their stories.”

MY FIRST TIME WRITING A BOOK

“I decided at the top of this year, actually, to write a book because I felt like I’d basically already written the book with two seasons of Passing Through. There are details that I can’t necessarily cover in a 20-minute episode. I wanted to be as candid and as honest as possible with how far I’ve come and what the journey has been with a collection of essays that almost serves as kind of a memoir.

“It’s called It’s Not a Game, It’s Practice. Travel probably will be intertwined, but it’s definitely more of a personal look at my growth. With Passing Through, the umbrella is travel, but if you listen, it’s not necessarily about travel. It’s really about the lesson learned or whatever I was going for at the time. So this is just a way to really dig out the details of what happened and when, and it’s forcing me to do a lot of reflecting. It’s way more difficult than writing an episode of Passing Through. It’s been a process.

“I read some quote from Toni Morrison the other day. It said you have to be able to go to the edge and claim that as your center. You don’t know that until you’re writing a book about your experiences. What is the edge? The center is simple. It’s the ‘this happened and that happened and that happened,’ right? But the edge is messy. It’s scary. It’s something that a lot of people don’t get to. And within writing a book and teasing out those details and those experiences, you find the edge and everything in you does not want to look over it. I’m learning a lot about myself writing this. Some days, a thousand words come out. Some days, you can’t even get a sentence on paper. You have to be able to forgive yourself. The most gratifying as well as the most difficult thing that anybody will undertake is writing a book, especially writing about your own experiences.”